tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post114091256693431700..comments2023-10-29T14:44:07.458+00:00Comments on The Dossing Times: The Riots and the consequences.Simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-18099176828230458172008-01-05T19:22:00.000+00:002008-01-05T19:22:00.000+00:00i'm an irish person who lives in the north and fro...i'm an irish person who lives in the north and from my observation of the love ulster parade back in 2006 i felt it a discrace to call myself irish as it was us very proud irish folks who let dublin down. in my opinion the unionists appeared dignified and and viewed the parade as a test of unity, of how accepted they would be in our capital city. how the hell will things ever unite when you have a small minority of scum' "on both divisions" who can't move beyond history. for gods sake would everyone get a real life and learn to get along, this land has lost enough lives and shed enough blood centuary after centuary. grow up ye all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-16349928592993157422007-06-23T01:17:00.000+01:002007-06-23T01:17:00.000+01:00I'm just an opinionated randomer... Surely those t...I'm just an opinionated randomer... <BR/><BR/>Surely those that had observed this 'test' are clever enough to realise that there's only one type of person that riots, and that 'Irish' is more of an umbrella term in that the rioters were obviously a minority. The orangemen who conducted this parade were clearly thinking 'What would I do if I saw a sectarian gang who support my oppression marching down the street?' I think everyone knows they only did it so they could go 'See? SEE?!'. Thankfully it hasn't totally hindered progress in my opinion. Although Sinn Fein do, they're so very over the top. I think the old (sectarian) parties are a bit moth bitten and boring now for everyone.<BR/><BR/>(It's a bit late I know, but a google search popped this up and I was intrigued.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1155583470617516072006-08-14T20:24:00.000+01:002006-08-14T20:24:00.000+01:00jonathan (johno) I hope the garda now know that t...jonathan (johno) I hope the garda now know that there will be no Loyilist feet on our dublin street.c.ira.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1141170776927780852006-02-28T23:52:00.000+00:002006-02-28T23:52:00.000+00:00What a great blog. What a fine piece of sustained ...<EM>What a great blog. What a fine piece of sustained writing. I find you like a breath of fresh air after the smoke.<BR/></EM><BR/>*Blushes* thanks for reading my stuff and your kind words.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1141169761854029692006-02-28T23:36:00.000+00:002006-02-28T23:36:00.000+00:00What a great blog. What a fine piece of sustained...What a great blog. What a fine piece of sustained writing. I find you like a breath of fresh air after the smoke.<BR/><BR/>You are so right. The government and police have blown it. It was their job to protect the marchers because those marchers in waiting were meant to be free to express peacefully their values.<BR/><BR/>You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. Whatever did the northerners think? They must have been apprehensive in the first place. They must have been courageous, and called foolhardy by some of their friends.<BR/><BR/>The best result this could have would be to lead to the cancellation of Easter 2006. The society is still too ambiguous about its identity to hold anything more than a Green party.<BR/><BR/>If you want to kill off all hope of a United Ireland, go ahead with a Green celebration. But if you want there to be any hope of a United Ireland, declare it a lost cause.<BR/><BR/>Celebrate what we have. Learn to love the other side. Love those who were killed by the rebels of 1916. At least the rebels of Saturday didn't kill anyone. They tried but accidentally failed.<BR/><BR/>I question one part of your case: "They have lost, republicanism has lost, Ireland was lost..."<BR/><BR/>No, they won. They set out to prevent the northerners walking down O'Connell Street, past the GPO with their symbols. In their dreams they probably believed that Pearce and Connolly et al would have wanted them to do the same.<BR/><BR/>Those who planned to prevent the march had no big picture of Orange and Green uniting under one banner. They simply said: they shall not pass.<BR/><BR/>They coaxed people out of pubs; they enticed people with a grudge against authority; they provided a vision of ultraviolence - all for the sake of the glorious dead on their side of the fence.<BR/><BR/>I must read your blog in future.Paul O'Mahony (Cork)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04037675154032285031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1141053003916365472006-02-27T15:10:00.000+00:002006-02-27T15:10:00.000+00:00Wow, I hadn't seen the photos. How sad. In fact,...Wow, I hadn't seen the photos. How sad. In fact, I hadn't even known about the riots until I saw the Irish blogs because they were not covered in US press. I am shocked at the extent of the damage and even more shocked about the lack of press it got here. I've even asked around the office "did you hear about the riots in Dublin?" and everyone said no. Guess it won't drive American tourists away (too bad for you! ;)<BR/><BR/>Y'all have come a long way - there's bound to be some idiocy like this from time to time. People like these scum are found all over the world, but they all have one thing in common: their utter disdain for peace. Sigh...Cathiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07291479913130967235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140980651763083782006-02-26T19:04:00.000+00:002006-02-26T19:04:00.000+00:00I think you are in a way right culabula it was jus...I think you are in a way right culabula it was justs scumbags. but the scumbags don't riot every saturady .s oemthing brought them out on the streetSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140965791169520602006-02-26T14:56:00.000+00:002006-02-26T14:56:00.000+00:00I couldnt believe it when I saw it on the news. I ...I couldnt believe it when I saw it on the news. I thought the images were coming from Belfast! There goes my cosy image of people in the South being rational about these things. One thing though, I was chatting to a friend who was in Dublin at the time and they reckon a lot of it was scuts who were just looking for an excuse to wreck stuff. The repercussions are going to be the same though...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140965589631896602006-02-26T14:53:00.000+00:002006-02-26T14:53:00.000+00:00well said, Ck.well said, Ck.Eamonnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14178748742260174594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140964108798831102006-02-26T14:28:00.000+00:002006-02-26T14:28:00.000+00:00Thank you Saint for well written and informative p...Thank you Saint for well written and informative pieces which give context to these riots. News coverage was dominated by the logistics of the riots, political one upmanship over McDowell and Dublin City Council being blamed for not securing the ongoing roadworks properly. These need to be addressed of course, but I am taken aback by the outburst of violence and the attitudes of the people, however many there are, behind it. <BR/><BR/>I never make sweeping statements about the Troubles, I always feel the political negotiations and deadlocks reflect poorly the complexity and intensity of emotions, mainly hatred, which proliferate in the North and clearly among people in the Republic, and I have little insight into this.<BR/><BR/>The riots are absolutely a portrayal of the state of Irish society, yesterday was a wake up call to people, including myself who may have become complacent or apathetic about the politics of the North- there are dangerous and entrenched views that will not disappear with any level of cross border co-operation or attempts at power sharing.CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00692370833615447357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140963069241212682006-02-26T14:11:00.000+00:002006-02-26T14:11:00.000+00:00I agree with and echo everything that has been sai...I agree with and echo everything that has been said here.<BR/><BR/>So i'll just say this:<BR/><BR/>Bastards!Eamonnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14178748742260174594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140955091227329082006-02-26T11:58:00.000+00:002006-02-26T11:58:00.000+00:00"There is talk that some anarchist groups were evo..."There is talk that some anarchist groups were evolved and reports of black flags in the crowd suggest that they did have some part in it."<BR/><BR/>Black flags are used by republicans to remember hunger strikers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140950832338881662006-02-26T10:47:00.000+00:002006-02-26T10:47:00.000+00:00I agree that whatever about the constituency which...I agree that whatever about the constituency which was rioting, it was in the poor planning and response that the state let itself down.<BR/><BR/>I've reacted a little here:<BR/><BR/>http://midnightcourt.blogspot.com/2006/02/i-predict-riot.html<BR/><BR/>where I reckon my best insight is that tactically, a seven year old with a Game Boy and a copy of Advance Wars 2 could do a better job than the senior cops tasked with dealing with this sort of scenario. As such, there's little point in reading the rest of my post.Copernicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728399407765830914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140942577844290412006-02-26T08:29:00.000+00:002006-02-26T08:29:00.000+00:00Good post, well-thought out. I agree with United I...Good post, well-thought out. I agree with United Irelander that it was a small minority, but I don't think it matters, in a way. We, as a country, did fail this test. Through poor planning, poor preparation, and rioters, we all failed and lost today.-Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359625931588140579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140916174428362112006-02-26T01:09:00.000+00:002006-02-26T01:09:00.000+00:00"In my piece on the Love Ulster parade "That sound..."In my piece on the Love Ulster parade "<BR/>That sounds awfully poncy doesn't it.<BR/><BR/>But fair enough point UI.<BR/><BR/>But has society allowed this mentality to grow. I remember being in School. With people who held very republican views. When ever we would talk about it in history or civics class teachers would never questioned the validity of supporting the IRA.<BR/><BR/>By accepting the acceptance of the legitimacy of violence against unionist are we in some small way unaccepting of unionism?Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1140913487460419572006-02-26T00:24:00.000+00:002006-02-26T00:24:00.000+00:00"In my piece on the Love Ulster parade I said that..."In my piece on the Love Ulster parade I said that the “biggest and hardest test for Irish society is not seeing can we accept Poles or Nigerians but can we accept Unionists.” It looks very much like we have failed that test."<BR/><BR/>No we haven't. The scum who were involved do not reflect Irish society in general. They are a minority who have disgraced and outraged the majority.<BR/><BR/>The important thing now is that we punish those responsible.United Irelanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07483800784147484326noreply@blogger.com