tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post113934211799329440..comments2023-10-29T14:44:07.458+00:00Comments on The Dossing Times: Run for cover, its a debate on abortion!Simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1147736434934874132006-05-16T00:40:00.000+01:002006-05-16T00:40:00.000+01:00I'm sure there are "long lasting psychological con...I'm sure there are "long lasting psychological consequences" either way. The question for the woman in question will be which consequences are best for me.Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558877755039554871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1139779686749140282006-02-12T21:28:00.000+00:002006-02-12T21:28:00.000+00:00sorry ann I don't think you got me. My point is th...sorry ann I don't think you got me. My point is that you said you agreed with abortion as the foetus/baby is not viable outside the woman. <BR/><BR/>My point was that this is only dicatate by technology. Roughly an abortion can be carried out up to 20 weeks. But who is to say that in 10 years time a baby born after 20 weeks prematurly could survive with mordern technology.<BR/><BR/><EM>I don't think any woman goes along in her life thinking "Gee, I really hope I get to have an abortion." It's a decision born out of desperation and, I would think, in 99.9% of cases not one taken lightly.</EM><BR/>Oh I 100% agree. I doubt any abortion has a happy story surrounding it and I would say most suffer long lasting physcological problems.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1139778792994201732006-02-12T21:13:00.000+00:002006-02-12T21:13:00.000+00:00If in 40 years, technology advanced to that point,...If in 40 years, technology advanced to that point, then I would happily take of the cause to make that the accepted and practiced alternative to abortion. (Providing that it was humanely done and that the children found homes afterwards - such technology could produce a whole range of unintended consequences.) But, the simplistic point is, yes, if there were an immediate, safe and humane alternative to abortion, I would be all for that. <BR/><BR/>I don't think any woman goes along in her life thinking "Gee, I really hope I get to have an abortion." It's a decision born out of desperation and, I would think, in 99.9% of cases not one taken lightly.-Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359625931588140579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1139604505127158972006-02-10T20:48:00.000+00:002006-02-10T20:48:00.000+00:00But if you think about it there was a time when a ...But if you think about it there was a time when a pre mature baby could not survive. But now with technology very pre-mature babies can survive. Who is to say that technology in 40 years could not advance to the stage that a foetus does not need its mother at all and can survive from perphaps a test tube conception.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1139603845789123172006-02-10T20:37:00.000+00:002006-02-10T20:37:00.000+00:00Your argument on viability/dependence has forced m...Your argument on viability/dependence has forced me to crystalise my thinking on the issue. I've supported the idea behind Roe v. Wade, that as viability increased, the compelling State interest to protect life also increased.<BR/><BR/>You've forced me to examine more carefully my believe that until viability is established, that abortion should be legal. After thinking about it, I have to say that there is a major difference between a foetus and a mentally handicapped person, an infant, or a person on life support. Quite simply, if the primary caretaker of any of the latter 3 is unable to care for the individual, he or she can seek support, assistance or, as a worst case scenario, hand over custodial responsibility for the dependent.<BR/><BR/>A pregnant woman cannot transfer her foetus to another's care. Until the foetus can exist independently from the mother, the foetus is part of the mother. The foetus can have no existence without the mother. <BR/><BR/>It's overly simplistic to say that if the woman can wait, in 9 months someone will be happy to adopt the child. I could create hypothetical situations all day that would illustrate this point. <BR/><BR/>A certain ability to carry out basic life functions separate from the womb is, to me, an essential defining line for life. Until the foetus is able to survive outside the womb, the woman should have the right to terminate the pregnancy in a safe manner. I still believe that although your arguments did make me think about it.-Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08359625931588140579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1139424776447126652006-02-08T18:52:00.000+00:002006-02-08T18:52:00.000+00:00Absolutely, I agree with Tuathal. I would never ag...Absolutely, I agree with Tuathal. I would never agree with the idea of deciding the legal status of abortion based on its availability in a neighbouring country.<BR/><BR/>However, I could not debate the topic and defend this position as affirmatively as Tuathal. I certainly believe life begins at conception bit I'm unsure about where I stand on issues such as the morning after pill- does it destroy the potential for life? Also where a woman is raped I don't know how I could reason with her that she should preserve the life that has been created through her trauma. <BR/><BR/>Also I am never comfortable in describing rights in absolute terms, so that where the mothers life is in danger through the pregnancy I cannot deny her right to life over that of the unborn. The grey areas proliferate throughout, in Ireland where the mother is at risk of committing suicide, this is a constitutionally protected grounds to perform a termination- satisfactorily determining the mental state of a person and using it as a grounds to end a life is full of pitfalls in my mind.<BR/><BR/>This is a debate I find hard to intellectualise, I would defend the right to life before all else but there are so many areas where I am unsure in forming an opinion.CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00692370833615447357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1139354799003593602006-02-07T23:26:00.000+00:002006-02-07T23:26:00.000+00:00i know.:)i know.:)Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1139353444763313392006-02-07T23:04:00.000+00:002006-02-07T23:04:00.000+00:00Documentor it is, umpire was only stemming from a ...Documentor it is, umpire was only stemming from a comment i read at the start where you mentioned a reluctance to weigh in. <BR/>Not meant in a disparaging fashion i assure you.<BR/>RRCianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14103748028384262474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13722343.post-1139342798637109692006-02-07T20:06:00.000+00:002006-02-07T20:06:00.000+00:00i was wondering about the umpire status as well. I...i was wondering about the umpire status as well. I would perfare the term documentor maybe :)Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13851386083389876851noreply@blogger.com